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Post by tangent on May 13, 2010 12:50:12 GMT
That's human nature. And Daniel is half-human. ^^
Fae nature is another thing entirely. And in that case it depends on the nature of the Plot involving them.
Yay! Horrid teen hormone driven gore! Er, glory! ^^;;
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Post by wanderer on May 17, 2010 17:36:44 GMT
Well, that accomplished a great deal of not-much-good-at-all. The only real change this made to the situation was that Sparkle got shot in the back and no longer has her phone.
Pirate doesn't seem to be very bright, though.
Oh, and we learned (I think for the first time?) Sparkle's real name.
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Post by Ally on May 17, 2010 19:05:47 GMT
Her real name's been in the character profiles for years...
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Post by wanderer on May 18, 2010 4:18:33 GMT
Her real name's been in the character profiles for years... Oh, who reads something silly like that. In my defense, I didn't really pay much attention to Sparkle's profile, back when I was looking through them. I had other folks on my mind at the time.
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Post by Emily on May 18, 2010 9:34:58 GMT
It's the first time anyone on screen has used her real name.
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Post by tangent on May 18, 2010 10:32:09 GMT
Heh. It's one thing to be snarky to your ex-girlfriend, but it's another thing to remain cold and unfeeling when you hear her tazered and left twitching. Well, unless you're a complete unfeeling ass. ^^;;
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Post by Animae on May 24, 2010 18:58:21 GMT
Ahhem. The pirate is VERY bright, thank you very much.
In the world of teenage melodrama, there is always one person in high school, who always says what everyone else is thinking, but are too afraid to say. and they will say it to the person who makes everyone else afraid.
Sparkle tried to stand up to the girl who takes no shit. and she lost simple as that. don't think that kitty forgot about her phone for a second. She wanted to see what sparkle would do.
And as far as the rape thing, this is a ship RUN by WOMEN. The Captain and the first mate, and most of the crew are women. I don't allow that on my ship.
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Post by Emily on May 24, 2010 18:59:34 GMT
the captain has spoken.
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Post by tangent on May 24, 2010 19:49:59 GMT
Pshah. I stated that a combination of the matriarchal society of Faerie and the fact the Pirate Captain is a kickass woman would mean any male fae who even thought of "having their way" with Sparkle (without prior permission which I very much doubt the Captain would give - I'm thinking along the lines of Admiral Cain in the Battlestar Galactica remake and the... torture of a Cylon model Six, though I suspect Cain gave that "approval" out of a sense of being betrayed by the infiltrator model) would end up gelded.
I must admit, Animae, I am amused by your perspective of the Sparkle/Captain dynamic. I'm not quite sure if this is what happened here though. Instead, I see it as a power game. The Captain is working to break Sparkle. First, she's humiliating her by forcing Sparkle to be a "wench" while stripping her of her power. Next, she demeans Sparkle by pointing out to her that she's nothing. And during all this, she lets Sparkle keep a phone. And she planned on letting Sparkle call out for freedom... and then rip this one lifeline away.
Next? She's going to tell Sparkle that Daniel has no intention of saving her, that he is only interested in the Sword of Slayskull.
The final straw to "break the cutie" (or the Libby in this case)? Seduce Sparkle's ex. Or at the very least let Sparkle think she's going to do this... and then once again smack down Sparkle when she tries to resist.
I'm not quite sure why she's doing this. You'd think there would be easier ways to subvert someone. And I'm not sure what real use Sparkle would give, outside of having a "friend" attack the heroes. I'll have to think on that.
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Post by wanderer on May 24, 2010 20:53:43 GMT
I must admit, Animae, I am amused by your perspective of the Sparkle/Captain dynamic. I'm not quite sure if this is what happened here though. Instead, I see it as a power game. The Captain is working to break Sparkle. First, she's humiliating her by forcing Sparkle to be a "wench" while stripping her of her power. Next, she demeans Sparkle by pointing out to her that she's nothing. And during all this, she lets Sparkle keep a phone. And she planned on letting Sparkle call out for freedom... and then rip this one lifeline away. Next? She's going to tell Sparkle that Daniel has no intention of saving her, that he is only interested in the Sword of Slayskull. The final straw to "break the cutie" (or the Libby in this case)? Seduce Sparkle's ex. Or at the very least let Sparkle think she's going to do this... and then once again smack down Sparkle when she tries to resist. I'm not quite sure why she's doing this. You'd think there would be easier ways to subvert someone. And I'm not sure what real use Sparkle would give, outside of having a "friend" attack the heroes. I'll have to think on that. Maybe she's just doing it to be cruel. I actually didn't believe this was Kitty until this update. The possibility occurred to me, but I talked myself out of it. The curlers really throw off her appearance, and her early dialogue on the phone seemed kind of... well... empty-headed. One can presume, however, since it IS Kitty, she has a bit more intelligence than was initially obvious. Yeah, I think that's what we concluded. The women of the crew don't want the males to start getting ideas about what they can get away with. Not that the female pirates are likely to be in any real danger from their male crewmates, but having to kill all the men probably makes a mess and makes life difficult for the HR department. Better to just keep them in line to begin with.
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Post by Emily on May 24, 2010 21:23:52 GMT
Kitty loves mischief and chaos, glorious glorious mischief and chaos. Look back at An's flashback- www.footloosecomic.com/footloose/pages.php?page=258 Kitty does bad things because she *can* not neccessarily because she's looking for vengeance or profit. She wanted a sword, she wanted the notoriety of stealing from the princess, and she wanted a wench... now she wants a fight. who knows why? maybe's shes bored, maybe she wants to woo her sister back to the dark side, maybe she wants to be a legend?
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Post by wanderer on May 25, 2010 3:15:22 GMT
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Post by Ally on May 25, 2010 9:13:57 GMT
Being bad and messing with people is a long, rich Faerie tradition (just look at Midsummer Night's Dream ;D) While Faerie society is similar to human society in some ways, it's very very different in others. For one thing, there's the core belief that they are all fictional - so mischievous hellraisers would be an essential part of society, because nothing moves the Plot forward like a fiendish plan. If you're looking for Kitty's motivation in all she does, it can be summed up in the phrase "Shiny. Let's be bad guys." wanderer - with regards to her dialogue on the phone, Kitty is not in the least bit empty-headed (Animae's description is spot on, and she would know ;D) She was being flippant, and probably mocking Sparkle, or at least her perception of Sparkle (Sparkle isn't an airhead, but she often plays the airhead to get her way, which is not something Kitty would respect).
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Post by tangent on May 25, 2010 16:51:31 GMT
Actually, the lack of therapists in Faerie can be laid on the doorstep of a certain radio host who has a very poor opinion of the psychiatric and psychological professions and thus constantly derides them on the air. Though that hasn't stopped a hack pseudo-shrink giving "on-the-air advice" and all that. In fact, it led to an ordinance prohibiting the orbital pie bombardment of radio stations in Faerie.
The "real world" is still a viable target for OPB, especially when targeting Right Wing Talk Show hosts. Though after the last OPB was devoured upon the point of impact by the High Lardiness (damn, but he has a big mouth!), that practice was discontinued. ^^;;
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On a less whimsical note, Ally's hit the target dead center (nice throw with the shoe, girl!). The fae are not nice.
Or to quote the Master (Terry Pratchett):
“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad.”
And to volley back the claim that "not all fae are evil!" I will mention a conversation between Illyanna Rasputin (Magik) and Magneto back in the original "New Mutants" run... Illyanna was feeling rather desperate over her "evil" nature and told Mags that she was only good because she tried to be. His response was that this was so for all people.
Good fae are good because they strive to be good. But under it all, there is that darkness that made humans check the closet before bed and put out bowls of milk to keep the fae from harming them.
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Post by Ally on May 25, 2010 18:50:47 GMT
I'd make a distinction between bad and evil, though. (A good analogy would be Spike v. Angelus in Buffy series 2). There's not much evil in Footloose (there was in IBYKS, but that's another story). Kitty and her pirates are bad, but they're not evil - hence no rape, no messing with the weak and pathetic etc. If you look at the people Kitty has targeted since her arrival in the story, it's An, Sparkle, Flibbage, and (in the past) the mayor of the Emerald City, and the other gangs. All people who are in positions of power or who have displayed an ability to fight back. Okay, she set the Hawkubites on the group - but that could be seen as a test (to see what kind of fighters the dojo produces, and whether life there has made An soft). She might snark at, say, Jimmy, but most likely she'd ignore him - she certainly wouldn't hurt him, as it wouldn't be worth the time or effort.
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Post by tangent on May 25, 2010 19:58:39 GMT
Quite true, Ally. And as the Master said, "Elves are bad." Not "Elves are evil." Bad was bad enough. =^-^=
Though their cookies are nromlicious. =^-^=
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Post by Ally on May 25, 2010 21:09:17 GMT
Pratchett's elves were evil, though. In Lords and Ladies, anyway - less so in Wee Free Men.
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Post by Nayru on May 27, 2010 0:11:41 GMT
sounds to me that kitty does what kitty wants because kitty likes to have her own twisted kind of fun. honestly? who here hasn't thought about being the big bad something-or-other (pirate, ninja, whatever) because it would be fun being such a badass? i know i wish i was more badass. i guess it all depends on where you draw the line of 'going too far'
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Post by tangent on May 27, 2010 13:15:26 GMT
You have a point there, Nayru. Heck, that is a good bit behind the rise of the anti-hero in literature; people like having someone who is a badass... but is also a hero. Thus the joining of the villain and hero into someone who is not a good person... but who is doing something good (the End justifies the Means).
Though I'm sure Kitty stole the sword because it was shiny and it was fun sneaking in and doing all that and also to poke fun at her lamer sister who not only got caught but who also gave up and became a "good little fae" doing the Princess's bidding.
It will be interesting seeing more of An's own motivations as a pirate... and when she started having doubts (because it's these doubts that defeated An and led to her accepting Flib's deal, not being captured in and of itself). And why Kitty didn't suffer from these doubts.
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Post by Emily on May 27, 2010 13:40:39 GMT
It's a little bit in her nature too. Kitty and An are half-sisters. Although they're both green An is a full-blooded elf and Kitty is a pixy (half elf half Imp). Just as a reminder Imps are the ones with long ears, facial markings,horns and leather wings (Martyn, Meatball(the pirate first mate) flelen and Fjen(not seen onscreen but part of the IBYKSverse) elves are the pointy ears and insect wings ones (An, Iordan, Phnieghley, flibbage, Hana) and pixies might have any mixture of physical appearance (Ari, Prada, kitty). There's also elementals, and nymphs but they don't count into this conversation
And imps are the most mischevious Fae... therefore Kitty is more naturally naughty than An who comes from the more 'noble' race clearly developed more of a conscience.
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