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Post by stokerino on Nov 25, 2009 18:52:40 GMT
Yes. It's the International Date Line in the middle of the Pacific ocean, where the +12 and -12 hours from GMT meet. You will jump 24 hours backwards or forwards depending which way you move across it.
And no idea about the double bluff one. I imagine some manner of mythology (Egyptian?) might have something...
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Post by Emily on Nov 25, 2009 19:44:44 GMT
I will never be able to get my head round the international date line.... everytime I try to think about it my brain goes "arglbragl timetravel, whut?"
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Post by Ally on Nov 25, 2009 23:26:46 GMT
And no idea about the double bluff one. I imagine some manner of mythology (Egyptian?) might have something... The search continues! (I'm interested because I love double bluffs. I read a little while ago that humans are the only creatures who can deceive by telling the truth, and for some reason the fact has lodged in my head and started making a nuisance of itself)
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Post by stokerino on Nov 26, 2009 12:51:14 GMT
I kind of doubt we have enough explicit insight into other creatures' communication to really claim anything like we're the 'only' ones capable of it. Still, that's humans for you...
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Post by Emily on Nov 26, 2009 13:19:27 GMT
the squirrels are going "yeah I buried the nuts here... or did I? The question you have to ask yourself is are you willing to expend the vital winter calories to dig a hole right now, on a guess?"
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Post by tangent on Nov 26, 2009 14:48:29 GMT
What are the chances of the cute redhead I know in Boston actually going out with me?
Tim? Tim, breathe. Look, you have to stop laughing so hard or you're going to pass out...
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Post by Ally on Nov 26, 2009 15:17:36 GMT
I kind of doubt we have enough explicit insight into other creatures' communication to really claim anything like we're the 'only' ones capable of it. Still, that's humans for you... From my vague memories, it sounded like a serious study - it looked at the whole "mummy bird feigning injury to lure foxes away from her babies" thing - basic straightforward deception. Whereas a human who was, say, having an affair and got a call from their fellow affairee while with their boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife could answer the question "Who was that?" with a joking "Oh, that's my secret lover, we're having a torrid affair" - complicated convoluted deception. Okay, a two-part question - how come I can find every single FOTC song available for download except If You're Into It, which is my favourite; and where do I find it? It's got to be somewhere...
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Post by Emily on Nov 26, 2009 19:11:41 GMT
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Post by stokerino on Nov 26, 2009 20:04:49 GMT
Amazon.com sell it for $0.99, but annoyingly the T&C are that "Digital Content will, unless otherwise designated, be available only to customers located in the United States", so no go for us UK types.
Short of ripping it straight off youtube, there doesn't seem to be much else.
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Post by Ally on Nov 26, 2009 20:19:49 GMT
Fair enough. I'll just hunt them down and make them perform for me ;D
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Post by Ally on Nov 26, 2009 23:16:10 GMT
On the subject of songs - am I going deaf, or is the lyric for the Toys R' Us ad "There's millions of debris all under one roof!" ?
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Post by stokerino on Nov 26, 2009 23:37:33 GMT
"There's millions," says Geoffrey, "all under one roof..."
Geoffrey being the giraffe. >_>
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Post by Emily on Nov 27, 2009 9:17:06 GMT
yeah ally! although I like your version better.
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Post by stuart alman on Nov 27, 2009 11:59:11 GMT
Going back to the animals double bluff thing. Surely the main problem here is can animals ever really interact on a level where "truth" or "lying" is involved yes there are numerous deceptions as defence mechanisms but its not like they are chatting with the predator going oh yes im poisoned not tasty at all.
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Post by stuart alman on Nov 27, 2009 12:05:16 GMT
haha i think i may have found an example of double bluffing in the animal kingdom!!
Similar moxie shows up in a study of an Afro-Asian species of fiddler crab known to take a short cut to regrowing a lost claw. Male Uca annulipes produce a substitute as long as the original but lighter and flimsier, explains Patricia R.Y. Backwell of the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute in Balboa, Panama.
Yet this frail claw works just as well in threatening rival males and waving to the ladies, Backwell and her colleagues report in the April 7 PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF LONDON B. "It's the first example of a naturally occurring cheat in attracting females," she says.
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Post by stokerino on Nov 27, 2009 13:48:48 GMT
That's not a double bluff... Presumably the lighter claw works in threatening rivals/wooing lady crabs because it appears to them to be like a normal claw, and they're unaware that it's actually a flimsy one that would probably break if used properly.
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Post by stuart alman on Nov 27, 2009 14:54:22 GMT
yeah but the crab is blatantly going oh look i have a normal claw or do i ?? wana test your luck chump?
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Post by stokerino on Nov 27, 2009 14:57:22 GMT
Which is straight-forward deceit, because the claw is not actually normal. If the crab was like "my claw, eet iz soooo weak" and other crabs thought "...no sane crab would seriously show off that its claw was weak. It must be lying!" and therefore left it alone - THAT would be a double bluff.
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Post by stuart alman on Nov 27, 2009 14:57:56 GMT
All i'm saying is its probably as close as you can come to giving an example. Because as i mentioned previously we have no way of knowing if animals can verbally lie to each other. And i think double bluffing requires an element of communication
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Post by Ally on Nov 27, 2009 16:58:24 GMT
"There's millions," says Geoffrey, "all under one roof..." Geoffrey being the giraffe. >_> Ah, I had no idea what he was called. That's a fairly awkward lyric when you read it... Going back to the animals double bluff thing. Surely the main problem here is can animals ever really interact on a level where "truth" or "lying" is involved yes there are numerous deceptions as defence mechanisms but its not like they are chatting with the predator going oh yes im poisoned not tasty at all. I get your point here, but I think you're focusing a bit too much on verbal (or the animal equivalent of verbal) communication. Hell, even human communication is largely non-verbal (unless that's another myth, like the one about us only using 10% of our brains). Also, I love that Tim has made the crab French. Although we all know it's not only French, it's also a lobster.
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