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Post by tangent on Feb 18, 2010 17:16:26 GMT
Curious. I wonder if any fey have ever become a magical girl. When you consider the talent and ability that many fey have, they'd be devastating as a MG. (Then again, I suspect Flibbage would have hired a fey MG to train the class instead of relying on an inept teacher to show students what not to do.)
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Post by Emily on Feb 18, 2010 18:38:52 GMT
1) Magical girls defend the earth... fey are not massively concerned with it. 2) In a race where everyone is inherently magical, what would denote you as a magical girl? daft accessories? the overwhelming urging to glamour yourself into a silly costume and spout catch phrases?
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Post by tangent on Feb 18, 2010 18:53:18 GMT
Pretty much #2 (as in what denotes a magical girl). Though I also suspect (from how you've depicted the origin of Steve) that Magical Girls are in some way priestesses as they seem to be granted the power from an outside agency rather than possess it inherently on their own. Thus if the Powers That Be found a fae that actually likes the Earth and does her best to keep things safe because she doesn't fit in in Faerie, but is perhaps untrained or the like, then who knows.
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Post by Emily on Feb 18, 2010 21:38:05 GMT
Well flibbage did state that the wand is only as powerful as the person holding it, even if Kirsch seems to think that Cherry's power comes from him. We haven't really gone to much into how humans get magical powers.
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Post by tangent on Feb 19, 2010 0:53:32 GMT
So, Steve's fairly powerful then? I mean he treed a villainess in his first fight. =^-^=
It may be that no one really knows where a MG's power comes from. (And what of magical boys? Though they seem primarily Mysterious and jump a lot rather than having attack spells and the like...)
I have to admit I rather like Fred Gallagher's interpretation of MGs over at MT. Though he's not mentioned where a MG gets her abilities either....
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Post by stuart alman on Feb 19, 2010 15:34:56 GMT
Doesn't Steve find himself in a bit of a problem then as "boys can't use magic on earth" and his job is to defend earth through magical means. Won't this lead to a lot of questionable pre-emptive strikes on other worlds lol
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Post by Emily on Feb 19, 2010 16:05:03 GMT
Doesn't Steve find himself in a bit of a problem then as "boys can't use magic on earth" and his job is to defend earth through magical means. Once again Stu, your tactic of stating the blindingly obvious has completely missed the POINT OF THE WHOLE COMIC. Thats *why* he's going to a faerie dojo, because he is a magical warrior with no purpose, nothing to fight and no usable power at home.
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Post by tangent on Feb 19, 2010 16:21:40 GMT
But looks damn fine in magical girl clothes (/joke!). =^-^=
You have to wonder if all magical girls outside of the previous Cherry (who accepted Steve apparently without reservation as she helped out) are self-righteous bitches who look down at anyone not like themselves. Or is the Marketable Magic class corrupted by Sparkle's presence? (Wouldn't that be amusing - when Sparkle is brought back everyone is commenting on how nice the magical girls became once Sparkle vanished, and how they're learning so much and everything...)
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Post by Emily on Feb 19, 2010 19:29:07 GMT
Well we didn't see much of the Flower Girls before they met their untimely demise, but they didn't seem massively bitchy... If you're refferring to codexx's comment that the flower girls might not accept him- she's a villain, its her *job* to try and upset goodies.
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Post by stokerino on Feb 19, 2010 19:36:41 GMT
The Flower Girls seemed to have the basic array of personalities in any superheroine/similar group. That doesn't make them bad people. >_>
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Post by tangent on Feb 20, 2010 4:52:54 GMT
@emily: Actually, I was referring to the School of Marketable Magic, which has a teacher who is inept and ineffectual, and two students who compete on who is bitchier (Sparkle and that other girl who gave her teacher the finger). The rest seem just annoying, outside of Steve. The question is, what would transform those girls from the band of useless bimbos into an effective and decent band of magical warriors? Is adversity truly the mortar that builds decent heroines? If they had been sent out to rescue Sparkle, might they have united, learned, and become something worthy of the title "Magical Girl" or would they fracture and destroy themselves (with Steve singlehandedly saving Sparkle because he's just that good =^-^=)? stokerino: If you mean normal magical girls, true. The Flower Girls we barely saw, so we didn't get much to build upon. The School of Marketable Magic seems like a lost cause, and I seriously wonder why Flibbage even bothers with it; even the Useless Mecha class seems to be more decent and worthwhile.
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Post by Emily on Feb 22, 2010 10:27:24 GMT
You underestimate flibbage's knowledge of generics.
I've been formulating a theory lately that perhaps the whole dojo is an elaborate setup by Flibbage in order to provide a "safe" environment for a primary protagonist to grow up in. Flibbage is very aware of the scenario she and Beansprout were forced into, battling apocalypses, supervillains and nastiness at every turn, and the way Sprout has turned out because of it. Flibbage has already admitted that the main reason keti is at the dojo is because she needs training in how to survive as a hero, not because of any particular talent she has. I wouldn't put it past Flib to have spent several years creating a dojo with the right mix of secondary protagonists, non-threatening bad guys, love interests etc in order to keep a heroine busy without putting her in any real danger. She also said at the end of chapter 6 that she knew it was only a matter of time before the Plot would catch up with Keti and she wouldn't be able to protect her from the big bad world, that she could only give her the skills and friends she would need when that time came... part of that training would involve being exposed to the machinations of mean magical girls.
This may or may not prove true. Like me and Ally say, our universe is never fully under our control, the characters do what they want. Maybe all fliabbge cares about is keeping those magical girls out of Earth's control.
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Post by tangent on Feb 22, 2010 13:22:25 GMT
Ah, but one thing the latest Footloose update revealed is this: there are multiple protagonists at play. The story did not begin with Keti. Daniel has his own story... and so does An. Daniel plays the part of "First Boy" to An, which explains An's possible attraction to him (she's flirted with him before). And despite being the current Primary Protagonist the Plot has glommed to like Jin to sweets, An's story has taken precedence (and is dragging Keti along for the ride) which is why An isn't the "First Girl" to Keti. Her story exists before Keti's, so storytelling inertia has continued the preexisting An/Daniel romance storyline.
And yes, it's a lot of fun when your characters take control of the story and pull it in directions you don't intend. I've one couple in The Trip I never expected to end up together, a second relationship that fell apart, and a third that didn't fall apart. I was most bemused. =^-^=
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Post by Emily on Feb 22, 2010 14:32:36 GMT
ahahahaaahaha but how do you know who's first boy or first girl we're talking about here, or if it's even going to come true? After all, your radio horoscope isn't much to set your future by...
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Post by tangent on Feb 22, 2010 14:42:06 GMT
Quite true. After all, An counts as both First Boy and First Girl. The First Boy An saw was Daniel, whose First Girl may very well be Sparkle. Thus if An and Daniel start getting closer, Sparkle loses. It'll be interesting to see who Cherry sees first at the Dojo. ^^
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Post by stokerino on Feb 22, 2010 15:34:17 GMT
Just to be clear, are we referring to "First Boy/Girl" as in "first one they meet", or "primary one their bit in the plot revolves around"?
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Post by Emily on Feb 22, 2010 15:38:12 GMT
I think restricting it to the very first person they meet is might be ridiculous seeing as it might be any number of minor characters... but then a trope is a trope.
This does unfortunately mean mean that *technically* cherry's First Girl is going to be Phneighly (it's not a spoiler to say so, don't worry)...
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Post by stokerino on Feb 22, 2010 15:41:20 GMT
Pfft. Even Fruits Basket doesn't follow that trope, and it's awash with such things.
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Post by tangent on Feb 22, 2010 15:45:53 GMT
Often it is the first person they bump into who plays a significant part in their story. The thing about Love Hina is that whatshisname DID first have significant interaction with Naru(sp?) before the story shifted to college-age. Interestingly, there is a conflict in Oh My Goddess in that the manga and the OVA series had Belldandy be the First Girl that Keiichi met, but the TV series had him ask out (and get rejected by) the rich girl. And in Megatokyo of course, we have Piro first seeing Nanasawa, but we learn he "met" Tohya first.
If you want to be totally technical, the First Girl that Cherry met who wasn't an antagonist was the previous Cherry. Spiritually, that is. ^^ Ah, in love with a ghost... hmm. I think that's another Trope, isn't it? =^-^=
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Post by stokerino on Feb 22, 2010 15:56:30 GMT
I would venture that pre-story interactions that crop up later (usually childhood flashbacks) don't count anyway, because they're generally only there for the embellishment of the arc that was established in the de facto 'first' (as in first published) chapter/episode/equivalent.
Harem anime like Love Hina et al are usually the most blatent (some would call it lazy) with that sort of thing anyway. Offhand I can only think of one that intentionally swerves you on that, being Ichigo 100% (not that my knowledge of harem series is particularly vast these days ¬_¬).
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