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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 16:17:19 GMT
Saints are very much a Christian-only thing, really. Everyone else tends to get 'prophets' at best.
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Post by Emily on Mar 18, 2006 16:27:41 GMT
actually i think its not even a generic christian thing, i think its a catholic thing, at least with most of the saints who were'nt just disciples...
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 16:37:06 GMT
Certainly Catholics are the only ones who 'canonise' a Saint, but Protestant churches still recognise a number of them due to their historical ties with Catholicism. Then of course you have the Eastern Orthodox churches, in which everyone in heaven is a 'saint' (no capital S).
Actually it seems a lot of other religions have something similar to saints, but none of them as so bloody official about it as the Catholic church (you know you have to go through four stages to recognition to become a Saint? 1) Servant of God -> 2) Venerable -> 3) Blessed -> and 4) Saint? You have to be a martyr and/or performed a confirmed miracle to achieve level 3, for instance...).
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Post by Ally on Mar 18, 2006 16:40:56 GMT
Depends whether it was an real dragon (of the sort thats bites you ,then u die of poisoning from its grubbiness), just a large lizard or a fairytale style dragon (i cant prove they exist or not) or in fact a metaphor for paganism... "oh wow, george you really slayed those heathen's belief system, hooray for you." whereas st. patrick, he got rid of snakes! everyone believes in snakes, and do you see any snakes in ireland? no! there fore st. patrick trumps st. george... You're going to hate this, but I read somewhere that the "snakes" are a pretty nasty metaphor for pagans.
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 16:43:30 GMT
That makes a lot of sense, actually... >_>
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Post by Lu on Mar 18, 2006 20:19:31 GMT
im starting to feel very sorry for the pagans. they dont seem to have many friends
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 20:22:57 GMT
Considering that the word paganism is in itself just a derogatory term for anything that isn't Christian/Jewish/Islamic etc., that's hardly surprising.
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Post by beckini on Mar 18, 2006 21:13:37 GMT
Certainly Catholics are the only ones who 'canonise' a Saint, but Protestant churches still recognise a number of them due to their historical ties with Catholicism. Then of course you have the Eastern Orthodox churches, in which everyone in heaven is a 'saint' (no capital S). Actually it seems a lot of other religions have something similar to saints, but none of them as so bloody official about it as the Catholic church (you know you have to go through four stages to recognition to become a Saint? 1) Servant of God -> 2) Venerable -> 3) Blessed -> and 4) Saint? You have to be a martyr and/or performed a confirmed miracle to achieve level 3, for instance...). im on level 4 hahahaha
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 21:18:49 GMT
......
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Post by beckini on Mar 18, 2006 21:21:20 GMT
of the sainthood thingy just call me saint becky
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 21:22:00 GMT
I knew what you were referring to.
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Post by beckini on Mar 18, 2006 21:26:24 GMT
oh
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Post by stokerino on Mar 18, 2006 21:40:34 GMT
Yes.
And my original reaction still stands.
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Post by Ally on Mar 18, 2006 22:05:27 GMT
im starting to feel very sorry for the pagans. they dont seem to have many friends As far as the old Celtic religions were concerned, it was a case of "These people respect nature and give women a significant amount of rights? The barbarians! We must enlighten them at once! With swords!" But I think people are mostly more tolerant these days (although I do know someone who was fired from her childminding job when they found out she was a pagan).
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Post by Emily on Mar 19, 2006 12:03:06 GMT
my god! can you even do that? Surely she could sue for unfair dismissal or something...
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Post by Lu on Mar 19, 2006 13:16:55 GMT
yes but the average childminder probably isent getting paid enough to take on in court someone who can afford to hire a childminder
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Post by Ally on Mar 19, 2006 15:34:35 GMT
Sorry, I got it wrong, they didn't fire her - they were going to employ her, then they found out she was a pagan and changed their minds. Which is still harsh.
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Post by stokerino on Mar 19, 2006 15:35:46 GMT
Well it equates to the same thing really, in the non-linear sense. >_>
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Post by Ally on Mar 19, 2006 15:46:36 GMT
But unfortunately gave her less sueing potential.
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Post by stokerino on Mar 19, 2006 15:48:58 GMT
'Tis true. Disgustingly linear are these insurance people.
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