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Post by neodarklight on Jun 3, 2011 3:24:36 GMT
@emily: Well, to be more precise, I don't LET my memories get falsified. If I start to notice something change in what I remember, I then basically mentally mark it as unreliable and leave it at that. From that point on, every time I recall that memory, I also recall that there are things wrong with it. It's actually very complex, and gets even more convoluted when I don't trust a memory at all, because then, every time I try to figure out what is wrong with the memory, the changes get worse. At one point in time, I had to rely half on logic to fill in some blanks, and to this day I acknowledge that there might be alternative explanations I hadn't considered.
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Post by neodarklight on Jun 3, 2011 3:25:07 GMT
Now onto other weird crap. Does anybody else have any stories?
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Post by Emily on Jun 5, 2011 20:50:18 GMT
I quite often have a tune stuck in my head, (not even a popular one, can be quite obscure) and then it gets played on the radio... it happens a little too often to be just a weird coincidence, I also often pick up my phone just beofre it rings or gets a message. Low level psychic premonitions linked to electronic devices? or coincidence?
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Post by Ally on Jun 6, 2011 8:01:41 GMT
Must be that chip we put in your head...
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Post by neodarklight on Jun 6, 2011 15:39:01 GMT
@emily: I have things like that that happen to me sometimes. Usually, it has to do with ideas I get also being thought up by other people. The most notable, and creepy, is from 5th grade where we had to stick to a genre, put some poems in it, and come up with one ourselves. I came up with, at home, a poem called "The Devil", and another person in the same class came up with the same poem, almost word for word. The thing is, there was no way that kid could have come up with the same thing I did unless one of us was psychic.
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Post by tangent on Jun 7, 2011 11:51:08 GMT
You do know an established psychiatrist did tests recently that found statistically significance in looking for precognitive episodes - not for large events like world history, but for detecting things like patterns before they actually happened.
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Post by Emily on Jun 7, 2011 13:03:13 GMT
Yeah I heard about it. wouldn't it be awesome if I really can predict a song before it comes on the radio? Totally useless and unreliable, but AWESOME nonetheless.
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Post by neodarklight on Jun 7, 2011 14:45:42 GMT
Eh, that's the human brain for you. When it comes to important stuff like wars and the economy, we forget nearly everything we know, but when it comes to trivial stuff like music and video games we get super precog powers.
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Post by neodarklight on Jul 10, 2011 16:40:03 GMT
Okay, the weirdest thing thus far happened to me last night when I was falling asleep. While my brain was beginning the process of shutting down for sleep, I heard that sound only a select few people can hear when there is a lot of electricity flowing through something, and I started hearing people's voices- IN MY HEAD. And I'm not talking about the usual voices in the head that one control's themselves, no, these sounded like actual conversations that people have when they are out in a public cafe, complete with the obscuring of parts of the conversation. And then I tried talking myself in that way, and my voice came out after a 2 second delay, but not the way I hear myself. Rather, I heard my voice the way other people hear me. And then I fell asleep once the electricity stopped.
So, either I'm becoming schizophrenic, or I had a brief moment of telepathy. I prefer to think of it as the latter.
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Post by tangent on Jul 11, 2011 1:53:14 GMT
Or you were dreaming.
Last night I had troubles falling asleep, or so I thought. The first time I got a phonecall near midnight by my friends (who I thought had already gone to bed) suggesting I move my car (we were at the hotel for ConnectiCon) and I very well may have not been able to fall asleep... but it seemed like it skipped from 10:30 to 11:30 real fast despite my feeling like I was tossing and turning.
When I got back to bed around 1:30 (I socialized afterward and had something to eat) I again felt like I was tossing and turning. I then realized it was 8:30, despite far less time passing than I could have sworn. Or in other words I fell asleep thinking I was tossing and turning, dreamed I was tossing and turning, and woke up to that dream only to realize I had in fact slept.
At some point the dream just took over the reality. And when I realized I had in fact slept, I realized I was in fact more rested than I thought I'd be.
In essence, you fell asleep and started dreaming instantly (it happens sometimes). Either that, or when you were about to wake up, you dreamed you were about to fall asleep and was hearing things - and this was the "telepathy" you sensed. A dream.
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Post by Ally on Jul 11, 2011 13:52:08 GMT
I hear voices when I'm falling asleep too (unless I'm really, really tired). Less specific than what Tangent was describing - I often can't remember what they were saying when I wake up properly - but yeah, the most likely thing is that you were sleeping very lightly and started dreaming. I looked it up when it first started happening to me, and apparently it's fairly common.
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Post by neodarklight on Jul 11, 2011 15:00:19 GMT
Uh, I'm in tune enough with my body to know that it was just before I was about to sleep. It could be my brain was beginning a dream prematurely (my brain is very weird), it could be that my subconscious mind made a breakthrough on whatever it was processing (the subconscious mind is always processing something for your conscious mind to handle), it could be that part of my brain developed to the point that I gained another level of thinking and will soon be able to start thinking on two different levels simultaneously (apparently, according to neurological studies, the autistic brain never stops developing). It could be anything. All I know is, I was falling asleep, but not there yet, and this thing made it take a little longer as the surprise of it woke me up a little before exhaustion took over.
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Post by tangent on Jul 11, 2011 18:19:06 GMT
Look, I understand the attraction behind psychic phenomena and the like. Especially when you're the one with the "ability" as it makes you stand out, if only in your own mind. But I have had enough border-of-sleep dreams (where you are literally on the cusp of sleep and start dreaming immediately) to recognize what you were going through. You were dreaming. You might not have been fully asleep, but it was still a dream.
Again, I've had them myself. And if you hopped into an ultralight and started flying around powerlines and dodging tree branches while trying to get above the treeline then you'd realize it was a dream. Yours was surreal enough that you attribute it to reality.
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Post by Ally on Jul 12, 2011 5:49:01 GMT
This is why I find brains so interesting (not like zombies do) and kind of scary - they are capable of so, so much that we're not aware of, and they do like to fool us.
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Post by neodarklight on Jul 12, 2011 7:07:03 GMT
And I said before, that it was probably not true, but that it would be nice to dream about, even if not even remotely in those words. And as I said, I was in the middle of falling asleep and listed the dreaming starting early as a possibility. One which is probably true. And the psychic part was said in jest; sorry if it was misinterpreted. And the only thing that separated it from the usual conversations in my head is the sheer out-of-placeness of what was happening and the level of consciousness or something on which it happened. So the other part which I said being another level of thinking I'm not accustomed to is my second choice. And I totally should not be talking about this at 3 in the morning when I can already feel my brain shutting down.
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Post by neodarklight on Jul 12, 2011 7:10:16 GMT
...Why are you so hung up about psychic phenomena, anyways? It's not like there's enough proof either way to fully prove or disprove it, and if you go into some of the more recent physics stuff, the evidence on both ends just gets even murkier. [/rant]
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Post by Ally on Jul 12, 2011 14:00:09 GMT
I completely believe there is a potential for psychic phenomena to exist in the world - the world is far too strange and complicated for me to rule out anything except that which is contradicted by basic physics (hell, at the moment I'm trying to revise a character's powers so she can use fire magic without breaking the law of 'energy can't be created from nothing'). However, I also believe in Occam's Razor, going with the simplest explanation until you have evidence for a more complex one. If there were no psychological explanation for your (or my) hearing voices, I'd absolutely go with the telepathic explanation; but the psychological explanation covers it. Besides, I think what the human brain can get up to is just as interesting as psychic phenomena. For example: www.cracked.com/article_18704_5-mind-blowing-ways-your-memory-plays-tricks-you.htmlwww.cracked.com/article_17103_5-ways-your-brain-messing-with-your-head.html
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Post by tangent on Jul 12, 2011 14:33:23 GMT
Don't get me wrong, Neo. I actually want to believe in psychic phenomena. But I also have a strong scientific bent and realized this wasn't psychic was rather a dream from how you described it. I've seen things that cannot be explained scientifically (the Summer of Shadows in 2004 being a prime example - I had a witness who saw the same things and later found this wiki link that was close to describing it (except the shadows were of all shapes and sizes, and some flew through the air - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people ). But that doesn't mean they were real. Even if I want the paranormal to be real... wishes don't come true unless you work to make them so. Little things like precognition could be real and was recently verified scientifically in a peer reviewed paper (which was shouted down by the disbelievers despite the fact the scientist involved is renowned and respected). But that has more to do with the nature of time and perception of it than transmission of or picking up of thoughts.
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Post by neodarklight on Jul 12, 2011 15:34:20 GMT
tangent: The link you provided mentioned hypnagogia. It was most likely some variation of that. There's too little evidence on any part for anything definite, but that's the simplest explanation available.
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Post by tangent on Jul 12, 2011 15:59:02 GMT
Yes, I know. The weird thing is having two people see the same thing at the same time. (It also doesn't explain the faerie lights - the closest I could describe them is discs perhaps a couple inches across of light that hovered an inch or so off the ground but did not illuminate the area around them - though those were only seen one night by me: Midsummer's Eve.) If I'd seen the Shadows alone, I'd brush it off as hallucination. Two people seeing the same thing at the same time with each describing something the other saw several times (there were LOTS of Shadows) stretches the believability of it being a hallucination (and the Shadows moved despite a lack of wind and clouds).
In all likelihood? Hallucinations. Having two people hallucinate the same thing at the same time? That I can't explain.
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